Clark, agency heads clash over proposal to publicize rules

Mississippi Secretary of State:
ERIC CLARK  

The Mississippi State agencies which do not want to have the voters and taxpayers of Mississippi to be able to read and understand where there tax dollars and being spent have something to hide!

January 29, 2001 

 

By ESTHER CAMPI
SUN HERALD CAPITOL BUREAU

The Mississippi Administrative Procedures Law, filed separately as House Bill 876 and Senate Bill 2448, would:

ftp://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/2001/html/HB/0800-0899/HB0876IN.htm
House Bill 876

http://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/2001/html/history/SB/SB2448.htm
Senate Bill 2448

What is it about our lawmakers that makes understanding these bills so hard to understand.
Could it be that its done on purpose?

Don't forget how our legislatures went behind closed doors to vote themselves 
a higher Retirement Benefit Package!! 

Create the state's first comprehensive list of state agency rules and regulations.

These rules and regulations are all ready available, but our lawmakers have made finding and understanding the rules and regulations a work of art.

  • Allow citizens to access this "Rule Book" in paper form and on Secretary of State Eric Clark's Web site, along with notices when an agency is considering a new rule or a change to an existing one.

    I have been requesting information from several state agencies for years and have not gotten any response back. 

    Mississippi has a law which even attorney and state agencies and elected officials will not respond to.  This law is the "Mississippi Public Records Act of 1893" but like I said even the Mississippi Bar Association, State Agencies, & Elected Officials will not respond to. So I suppose you can say this places them above the law, but I have heard all my life the know one is above the law.

  • Standardize the ways in which agencies could enforce their rulings, and outline how citizens can challenge agency rulings.

    Like I stated above, the law are all ready on the books, but will not be enforced. 

    It's like the gun laws, over 2000 on the books but our states will not enforce them, and yet our legislatures in Washington, D.C. want more laws.  

    JACKSON -As the Legislature kicks into high gear for a few months each year, many people pay close attention to the hundreds of pieces of legislation that pass through its chambers.

    Over the years watching how our Mississippi Legislature works, not much really gets done. I believe they call this, "Job Security," and it seems to be working for them.

    Less public scrutiny is applied, however, to the thousands of rules and regulations state agencies adopt on an ongoing basis.

    Like having to re-pay for documents which the taxpayers and voters have all ready paid for once. Their is enough wasted paper where documents could be provided to all which request them. But the Secretary of State, Eric Clark, would rather make money than provide a service.

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    These rules and regulations have the force of law and the power to touch the lives of ordinary Mississippians in very personal ways - from child visitation guidelines to the taxes they pay to how they run their businesses.

    All of this is true, so why is it so difficult to obtain information.

    It like the Mississippi Bar Association, when a complaint is filed against an attorney it goes to Mike Martz, general counsel. But since the Mississippi Bar Association investigates it's own attorneys I doubt if an investigation is really conducted.

    The way they have been getting away with this for many, many, years is the word, "CONFIDENTIAL." Since you will never know if an investigation was ever conducted and you will not win toward your complaint, it seems to me it's a stacked deck against you.

    And while Mississippi law requires agencies to offer a public comment period, Secretary of State Eric Clark said the average person would have to work full time to keep track of what state agencies are doing.

    How many of you so called ordinary Mississippian's have ever heard of a public comment period. This is the first time I have ever heard of this law.

    Let face the facts, our elected officials & state agencies believe they work for themselves. The pay checks they receive from the taxpayers is just a payday. They don't think about the reason they are working where they are is because the taxpayers provided a job for them. 

    It all goes back to where government & state agencies believe, "We The People," work for them.

    "They come and file a piece of paper with our office that goes into a filing cabinet," he said. "But in terms of letting the people know what's going on, what good is that to the people of Mississippi?"

    I believe the last statement, "what good is that to the people of Mississippi?" tells the whole story. 

    After many attempts in the past, Clark is once again pushing legislation that would create the state's first comprehensive list of state agency rules and regulations. House and Senate panels could take up the legislation next week.

    I think the words, "once again pushing legislation that would create the state's first comprehensive list of state agency rules and regulations." Since it has not happened tell me it will not happen.

    When your elected officials & state agencies become so corrupt, and by giving the ordinary Mississippian's a way of learning of there corruption, well, lets say it will never happen.

    Clark's office would publish this "Rule Book" in paper form and on its Web site, along with notices when an agency is considering a new rule or a change to an existing rule.

    I will believe it when I see it. But don't hold your breath till it happens.

    According to Clark's office, Mississippi is one of only two states in the country without any official compiled publication of its administrative laws and rules.

    I wonder why this does not surprise me.

    The legislation would also standardize the ways in which agencies could enforce their rulings, and outline how citizens can challenge agency rulings.

    Believe me when I tell you even if this passes, the Secretary of State, Eric Clark, will make it so difficult to challenge an agency the ordinary Mississippian's will not even try.

    It like when out legislatures did not want to give the people the right to petition Initiatives. And when the law was passed it was made do difficult to do the ordinary Mississippian's don't even bother. Did you know that you can up to five (5) Initiatives per statewide elections. 

    INITIATIVE
    click here

    "You have laws scattered throughout the Mississippi code that relate to this," Clark said. "What we would do is combine them and consolidate them into one place where the citizen can find them and know what in the heck is going on."

    First of all your cannot get into the Mississippi Code of 1972. And even it you could it has been copy righted.

    Letter from Secretary of State on Miss-Code
    click here

    While the legislation may seem like a common-sense proposal, some agency heads say it would be too costly and time-consuming to implement, and would add a layer of bureaucracy to a system that's working just fine.

    This goes back to where your legislatures & state agencies believe the ordinary Mississippian's work for them. 

    I also believe it is the legislature & state agencies which have created the bureaucracy we have today.

    Ed Buelow, head of the State Tax Commission, said he wasn't sure if all the agency's rules are on its Web site, but that they're readily available to the public.

    I was audited, I requested a copy of the audit report showing that I was being audited as a random audit. I was told that that information was not given out.

    So I can see why the State Tax Commission has a lot of reason not wanting how and who they audit become public knowledge.

    He said the legislation Clark has proposed would be an "administrative nightmare" for his legal staff, which would have to be beefed up from five to seven or eight.

    Ed Buelow, head of the State Tax Commission, sounds like he is scared it might just happen. 

    I still would like to know if my audit was a random audit or a planned one.

    QUESTIONS ON SALES TAX AUDIT LAW
    click here

    Under the new system, he said, the only beneficiaries would be trial lawyers.

    Like our legislatures and state agencies are doing such a great job. Trial lawyers have nothing to do with this, but nice try changing the subject.

    "The thing was drafted by trial lawyers, it's supported by trial lawyers, and it's a trial lawyer's dream," he said. "First of all, the system's not broke the way it is. Right now any Joe Blow can walk in off the street - he doesn't have to have an attorney - and be heard as to why he doesn't think he owes his taxes."

    Ed, I firmly believe you are out of touch with the ordinary Mississippian. I am one of those unusual ordinary Mississippian's which believe the paycheck you receive is coming right out of my pocket.

    It is not your money to do with as you see fit, although you do. Have you been reading about our Harrison County Supervisors here on the Mississippi Coast. 

    LINKS

    Harrison County Corruption

    COUNTY DILUTES POLICY ON CARS

    SENATOR THOMAS ARLIN GOLLOTT & WIFE - ZELMA

    Council reviews car policy

    Supervisors tap special account

    Buelow said the new procedures would open up the Tax Commission to having its rulings constantly overturned on technicalities.

    If the Mississippi State Tax Commission is being run fairly and by the law, their would be nothing to worry about.

    "Under this (new) system, everybody will have to have a lawyer, including us," he said.

    Their is no need to talk dirty, the word attorney is the worst words one can say in Mississippi. But that is another true story.

    Judy Rhodes, head of the Mississippi Department of Education's accountability office, said the 103-page bill is difficult to understand.

    And I would bet the Mississippi Department of Education's accountability bill is not difficult to understand.

    But like the Secretary of State, Eric Clark said, he will make is easy of the ordinary Mississippian's to understand. 

    "I've been analyzing bills for a long time," she said. "(For) this one I had to ask for assistance from our attorney because it is so technical."

    There you go, talking dirty again, don't you know that the Mississippi Bar Association is the most corrupt association in Mississippi.

    If you had to get assistance from one of those types you may want to find other employment in Mississippi or another state.

    Rhodes said she didn't object to making the DOE's rules available on the secretary of state's Web site, but questioned how Clark would juggle dozens of different agencies with different timelines for adopting rules.

    That why the Secretary of State, Eric Clark, get paid those big taxpayers paychecks. I do not believe Eric Clark will juggle anything, it will be you having to comply to his web site.

    State Superintendent of Schools Richard Thompson said: "I don't think there's anybody in the state government that wants honest, open and accessible agencies more than I do. We appreciate that."

    Then why is Mississippi's education number 48th, 49th, and 50th every year. It seem to me that if their is one agency which need overhauling in the worst way its the education department.

    Thompson said adequate procedures are already in place, but that the real problem is they haven't been enforced.

    I think you just told on yourself.

    "We just don't believe it's the best way to get the public involved," Thompson said of the proposed Mississippi Administrative Procedures Law. "It's going to require a significant amount of legal work."

    Look at all the legal work our elected officials and state agencies have all ready used on your behalf. 

    And what makes matters worse is the taxpayers paid for your legal services. Believe me when I tell you that our elected officials and state agencies could care less about how much of the ordinary Mississippian's money is used for any service.

    Clark defended the overhaul as sorely needed to protect private citizens and businesses in dealings with state agencies and government regulators, however, and criticized resistance from agency directors.

    The Secretary of State, Eric Clark, is not without corruption. I have asked several times under the Mississippi Public Records Act of 1983 for document but have not obtained them.

    Like how does the $70,000.00 in grant money from the Mississippi Tidelands Trust Fund get to the Wildlife Rehabilitation & Nature Preservation Society, and having the checks written by the Mississippi Department of Marine Recourses. 

    MISSISSIPPI DEPARTMENT OF MARINE RESOURCES
    click here

    Said Clark: "It has frankly surprised me the attitude of some of the agency heads since we started working on this: 'Look, I know how the system works. I can work the system fine. The less the public knows about it, the less the public is involved in it, the easier my life is.'"

    I did not know "We the Taxpayers" of Mississippi were here to make life easier for our elected officials and state agencies. 

    But now that he has made the statement, I can see how once the Mississippi Administrative Procedures Law becomes reality, Mississippi could for once have a smaller government.

    Clark blasted claims that his plan would be costly as "substantially untrue," allowing that agencies could experience a "marginal start-up cost," but saying it would likely be a minimal, one-time expense.

    Now we are getting into having to wait for many, many years before anything will ever happen. But does the ordinary Mississippian think that it was really going to happen anyway.

    His office points to a 1998 study conducted by the Stennis Institute of Government on the long-term costs of changing Mississippi's administrative procedures.

    Look at all the corruption inside Stennis Space Center, corruption is everywhere where government and state agencies have a hand in it.

    The report found that there was "no appreciable long-term increase in real per capita state expenditures," and that "uniformity could actually bring greater long-run efficiency."

    I have found that reports can me manipulated to say what ever you want it to say. That is was is known as controversy, where one thing says one thing and another says another thing. Like Democrats and Republicans except they are know for doing nothing except argue or dead lock.

    Clark said the legislation is necessary "so citizens can go to one place and access what their government is doing for them or about them or to them."

    I fully agree with what the Secretary of State is wanting too do. But I doubt if it will become reality during my life time.

    Mississippi has kept its ordinary citizens in the dark for so long under the, "Good ole Boy System," that it may never recover.

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