THE
OUTCOME OF MY BASIC MOTORCYCLE SAFETY COURSE
APRIL 4TH, 5TH, 6TH, & 7TH, 2002
NAVAL SEABEE BASE
GULFPORT, MISSISSIPPI
STEVEN A. McCALEB
103 ALVERADO DRIVE
LONG BEACH, MISSISSIPPI 39560
PHONE & FAX: (228)-868-8428
HONDA GOLDWING 1800CC, 2001
http://www.bophoto.com/GW1800/DSC05252-440x330.html
Have you ever had the feeling that
you knew the outcome before the outcome has happened.
That's how I felt when I attended the
Naval Seabee Base, Basic Motorcycle Safety Course, Gulfport, Mississippi.
The instructor (John) seemed to be a
nice fellow, but my feeling later changed.
I failed his course, I was, according
too him the only one which failed, even after I being questioned on other
students.
I was scheduled for April 4th &
5th, 2002, but the instructor had me practice on the 7th for retest on the
8th.
I did practice on the 7th, I also
dropped by bike and broke my left outer foot peg, but on the 8th he refused to
retest me.
So the instructor wasted two of my
days, Saturday and Sunday, maybe this was the plan.
This was the first Basic Motorcycle Safety Course provided in several
years on the Naval Seabee Base.
When I went to the Security Office to
obtain my base sticker, I was told that my Completion Card was not good on the
Naval Seabee Base, that I would have to attend there Motorcycle Safety Course.
But what I wasn't told was the Naval
Seabee Base did not have a Motorcycle Safety Course, but that I could go the
Keesler Air Force Base, Biloxi, Mississippi and take there course and obtain an
Air Force base sticker.
But if I did go to Keesler Air Force
Base and did obtain there Completion Card and bring it back to the Naval Seabee
Base, the Seabee Base would not honor Keesler's Completion Card in order
to obtain a
Naval Seabee Base sticker.
(go-figure)
As you can read on my web page:
I felt that if the OPNAVINST
5100.12G, was the Navies Motorcycle Instruction, then the Naval Seabee Base
should provide this course for active & retired naval personnel.
But after
making all the noise about the course, perhaps I was destined to be retaliated
against.
I passed
the written test (made 90%), but not all of the skills test was setup for a Goldwing
1800cc, 2001.
21 is the
max. points you could have and still pass the skills test, I made a 22, this was after he
fixed a mistake on his scoring sheet.
It seems he
gave me a score of eleven (11) when the most could be deducted was ten (10).
I have
for many years ridden motorcycles; I sold my last Goldwing 1100cc when I retired
out of the Seabees in November 30, 1988.
So
it's been 13 years since I have been back on a motorcycle.
I being a Shriner, and had been in
the Shrine Goldwing Motor Corp. since the 70's, may not be considered a novice
rider, but certainly a rusty rider.
Joppa
Temple
Contact: James M. Carter, P.P.
13280 New Highway 67
Biloxi, MS 39532-7514
Telephone (228) 392-9345
Fax (228) 392-0431
E-mail: jjimmar@aol.com
I am at this time collecting
information
This is an ongoing web page.
I need to find information on an
instructor, John Toner, out of Eglin Air Force Base, and his qualification on
the Basic Motorcycle Safety Course the instructs.
I have a complaint concerning being a novice rider on a GoldWing 1800cc, 2001,
and the course I failed.
Please respond to my request
Later,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
Dear Mr. McCaleb,
I have forwarded your inquiry to Mr. John Toner and requested that he reply
directly to you.
Please let me know if you have any questions or require further information.
Sincerely,
Greg Smith, Manager
Florida Rider Training Program
Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles
850-487-1227
http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/ddl/motorcycle.html
I purchased a Goldwing 1800cc, 2001; I have
just finished taking your two days Basic Riders Skill Course.
Naval Seabee Base, Gulfport, Mississippi,
Instructor: John Toner, out of Eglin Air Force Base.
I failed the course (there were 8 bikes, seven passed) because of two courses,
one was the Cone Weave, and the cones are to close together for a novas rider to
master in two days, if at all.
I requested to have my motorcycle walked through the cones to ensure my bike is
capable for going through the cones.
I request was denied by the instructors.
The second course is the curve test, this is where you start off, up shift to
second, get up to 15mph, down shift to first prior to going through the curve in
1.8 seconds and come out the other side.
My time was 2.6 seconds, according to your instructor, the curve is sharp and I
found leaning my bike that far over could have caused me to drop the motorcycle.
I confronted the instructor on these two courses and he said he has had
thousands of Goldwing 1800cc, 2001 (or bike just like mine) go through the
course with no problem.
I then ask the question, let's say I just purchased this Goldwing 1800cc, 2001,
and never been on one before.
Do you (the instructor) I could come out, take the course and pass; he stated
that I would need to start with a smaller bike.
This is my complaint, I had the only Goldwing taking this course, there were two
large Harley's and they did not get through the Cone Weave and Curve very well.
This being a Basic Riders Course, I feel the course need to be adjusted to large
motorcycles.
We have to take this course in order to obtain a base sticker, so why make the
course difficult to pass.
Please Respond
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
Hello,
I have forward your email to Joe Thompson. You will get a answer
soon. Have a great day
William Cosby
OPNAVINST5100.12G
Mr. Cosby:
Have you certified Mr. John Toner, the
Instructor from the Motorcycle Safety Foundation.
He said he did not no who you were, so that made me wonder if Instructor is
qualified to teach the Navies Basic Motorcycle Safety Course.
Please Respond
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
(2) Commander, Naval Safety Center (COMNAVSAFECEN) shall
manage all aspects of mishap prevention specifically directed to
government and privately owned motor vehicles. COMNAVSAFECEN
shall certify instructors for motorcycle, driver improvement, and
emergency vehicle operator courses; conduct traffic safety
surveys, assist visits and site visits; provide program guidance;
actively promote and develop traffic safety awareness educational
programs, materials and lesson plans; serve as the repository for
Navy and Marine Corps reportable motor vehicle mishap reports;
provide traffic safety statistics and trend analysis; consolidate
and forward the following annual reports to ADUSD (ES) Force
Protection: Annual Safety Belt Usage Report and the Impaired
Driving, Crash, and Injury Data Report in accordance with
reference (a).
Mr. McCaleb,
I cannot answer your question regarding Mr. Toner's objectivity as I know very
little information as it pertains to your issue.
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or require further
information.
Ride safe,
Greg Smith
Florida Rider Training Program
850-487-1227
http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/ddl/motorcycle.html
William, you got your wish, I failed the
Basic Motorcycle Safety Course, and I am sure this was predetermined before I
even got to the class room.
Your Instructor failed me on Friday, told me I could retest on Sunday, and to
practice on Saturday.
I did just as he requested, but he asked if I felt he could give me a fair test
on Sunday, and as I was thinking about the past 3 days, he told me too get
someone else to test me.
Now, here is what I need from you before I start going up the chain of command
one more time.
I need positive proof the this instructor has been certified in accordance with:
http://mississippiwebsite.com/motorcyclyinstcourse.htm
Naval
Safety Center Sponsored Motorcycle Instructor Courses - April 7, 2002
I also need to know if this
instructor meets the OPNAVINST 5100.12G
http://neds.nebt.daps.mil/Directives/5100_12g.pdf
http://neds.nebt.daps.mil/Directives/5100_12g.pdf
- April 7, 2002
and last I need records
showing that this instructor can sign the Completion Card as per COMNAVSAFECEN.
Please respond
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com
Mr. McCaleb,
I do not know the answer to your question. That would be a question for
Mr. Cosby. Bill can be reached at the following contact information:
Mr. William Cosby
Code 424, Naval Safety Center
375 A. Street
Norfolk, VA 23511-4399
(757) 444-3520 ext. 7135
FAX (757) 444-6044
e-mail: wcosby@safecen.navy.mil
Ride safe,
Greg Smith, Manager
Florida Rider Training Program
Bureau of Driver Education and DUI Programs
Division of Driver Licenses
Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles
850-487-1227
http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/ddl/motorcycle.html
Please forward me information on who Joe
Thompson is, and please forward his email address.
I also need you name and title.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
Thank you for your request.
I am sorry, I was gone until today- what would you like to know??
thompson.joe@hsmv.state.fl.us
Senior Highway Safety Specialist
Florida Rider Training Program
Division of Driver Licenses
850-488-2749 Room B-211 Mail Stop 88
Thanks, I do need to know if Mr. Toner has
been qualified by COMNAVSAFETYCEN, that's, Commander, Naval Safety Center,
Norfolk, Va., Mr. William Cosby.
If so, please provide me with the day and date he was certified by the Navy.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
Thanks for your response,
Can you call me at 1-850-488-2749?
Thanks
Joe
thompson.joe@hsmv.state.fl.us
Senior Highway Safety Specialist
Florida Rider Training Program
Division of Driver Licenses
850-488-2749 Room B-211 Mail Stop 88
William Cosby, it seems that your the man,
and you stated in your voice mail that you will be out of town until May 26th.
I left you a message on your recorder, requesting you contact me concerning the
Safety Course at the Naval Seabee Base, Gulfport, Mississippi.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
Betty, I need to know the schedule for the
year for upcoming Basic Motorcycle Courses.
I look as though I will be taking all of them, also I have received an answer
back from the Motorcycle Safety Foundation or from William Cosby.
I just call Mr. Cosby, but his voice mail said he would be out of town until May
26th.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
Thanks for your email, I am wanting to know
if the Instructor of the Basic Motorcycle Safety Course has been qualified and
certified by COMNAVSAFETYCEN.
As you know the Motorcycle Safety Foundation is not located in Mississippi, but
Mississippi does recognize the Mississippi Motorcycle Academy.
I would like to know how and why Mr. John Toner was picked as the instructor for
the Naval Seabee Base, Gulfport, Mississippi, Basic Motorcycle Safety Course.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Subj: Is this Instructor qualified to teach the
Navies Basic Motorcycle Safety Course
Date: 4/7/02 11:57:29 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Mccaleb5thdist
To: wcosby@safetycenter.navy.mil
William
Cosby
OPNAVINST5100.12G
Mr. Cosby:
Have you certified Mr. John Toner, the
Instructor from the Motorcycle Safety Foundation.
He said he did not no who you were, so that made me wonder if Instructor is
qualified to teach the Navies Basic Motorcycle Safety Course.
Please Respond
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
(2) Commander, Naval Safety Center (COMNAVSAFECEN) shall
manage
all aspects of mishap prevention specifically directed to
government
and privately owned motor vehicles. COMNAVSAFECEN
shall
certify instructors for motorcycle,
driver improvement, and
emergency
vehicle operator courses; conduct traffic safety
surveys,
assist visits and site visits; provide program guidance;
actively
promote and develop traffic safety awareness educational
programs,
materials and lesson plans; serve as the repository for
Navy
and Marine Corps reportable motor vehicle mishap reports;
provide
traffic safety statistics and trend analysis; consolidate
and
forward the following annual reports to ADUSD (ES) Force
Protection:
Annual Safety Belt Usage Report and the Impaired
Driving,
Crash, and Injury Data Report in accordance with
reference
(a).
If you don't mind I would rather have a hard copy of our
conversation, please reply by email.
Thanks,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Hello again-
Ref: Your wanting a hard copy of conversations, fully understood-
normally no problem however,
I was not aware that my boss Mr. Smith was already involved in handling
your requests for information, therefore he will be responding to you.
Thank you.
Joe.
Dear Mr. McCaleb,
Mr. Joe Thompson was out of the office yesterday and unaware that you and I had
corresponded. I am replying on Joe's behalf as I addressed this issue with
you previously.
The Florida Rider Training Program (FRTP) cannot answer your questions regarding
John Toner's military credentials. I see from your message sent to Joe
Thompson that you have followed up with Bill Cosby. That is the avenue
that I would recommend.
Please contact me directly if you have any further questions.
Sincerely,
Greg Smith
Florida Rider Training Program
850-487-1227
http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/ddl/motorcycle.html
Dear Mr. McCaleb:
Thank you for your inquiry.
The Florida Rider Training Program (FRTP) is unable to answer questions outside
the realm of motorcycle safety related issues within the State of Florida.
It appears that you may have mistaken our program contact information for that
of the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF).
Please contact the MSF by visiting their website at http://www.msf-usa.org/ and
clicking on the MSF CONTACTS section.
I hope this information is helpful and feel free to contact me if you have any
questions or require further information.
Ride safe,
Greg Smith
Florida Rider Training Program
Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles
850-487-1227
http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/ddl/motorcycle.html
Thank you.
Joe
thompson.joe@hsmv.state.fl.us
Senior Highway Safety Specialist
Florida Rider Training Program
Division of Driver Licenses
850-488-2749 Room B-211 Mail Stop 88
Dear Mr. McCaleb,
I apologize for the delay of this response. I was out of the office the
week that you sent your request and generally I forward these to the appropriate
party to respond. Since a colleague of mine was forwarding e-mails in my
absence, I will follow up to see who your original request went to and expedite
a response. I sincerely apologize for the delay.
Thank you kindly,
Vila Day
Administrative Assistant
Motorcycle Safety Foundation
2 Jenner Street, Suite 150
Irvine, CA 92618-3806
Phone: (949) 727-3227 ext. 3061
Fax: (949) 727-4217
E-mail: vday@msf-usa.org
Thank you for your response, and to make my
request easier please go to my web page:
THE
OUTCOME OF MY BASIC MOTORCYCLE SAFETY COURSE
Click here
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome
NAVAL
SEABEE BASE, GULFPORT, MISSISSIPPI - April 10, 2002
Click here
http://mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
This will give you the
history on why I would like to obtain my Completion Card in order to obtain my
base sticker.
This email can be read on my web page: www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase/htm
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Betty, I know you don't want to provide me
with any information, and I believe you do not have to provide me with
information.
But there is one bill which passed the house and senate called the,
"Freedom of Information Act."
This bill requires federal departments even the Armed Forces to provide
information to, "we the little people."
I need to obtain information concerning the instructor, John Toner.
I want too know if he is qualified and certified by Mr. William Cosby, for the
Basic Motorcycle Safety Course conducted at the Naval Seabee Base, Gulfport,
Mississippi, the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th of April, 2002.
Mr. William Cosby is out of his office until May 26th so getting information
from him is not an option.
The qualification and certification of Mr. John Toner should have been known
prior to him coming to instruct the Safety Course.
Please provide me with the information I have requested.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Mr. McCaleb,
It's unfortunate that you
didn't pass the BRC. What's more unfortunate is that you don't seem to
understand why. Is it at all possible that you just don't have the skill
and experience to handle a GL 1800? I don't mean that facetiously, or to
be nasty. It's an honest question.
I've been a motorcycle safety
Instructor for over 15 years. I cringe when I see novice motorcyclists
show up in my class with anything bigger than a 500cc motorcycle. 9
times out of 10 it's too much bike for them to handle when they're just
starting out in this sport.
You say the cone weave is too
tight for your GL1800. I don't seem to have any problem getting one
through that exercise. You say you couldn't get the 'Wing through the
"Turning Speed Selection" exercise. In the first place your
description of the exercise is incorrect -- you do NOT shift back down to
first gear prior to the turn. In the second place, I have yet to see a
motorcycle manufactured for use in this country that isn't capable of doing
that exercise, especially the GL 1800, which handles better than any of it's
predecessors. My '99 Kawasaki Drifter (VN1500) has MUCH less ground
clearance than your 'Wing, and I don't have any trouble with that exercise.
You say you asked for your 'Wing
to be walked through the cone weave to prove it could be done. I think a
bit more education about motorcycles is in order here. Although that
bike could be walked through the cone weave, it wouldn't prove anything
because you're probably going to walk it through with the bike nearly
vertical. The bike has to lean in order to turn, and if you tried to
lean it to the appropriate angle while walking beside it, you'd probably drop
it. Would I walk your bike through it for you? Not a chance!!
For one thing as I said it wouldn't prove anything. But beyond that, for
insurance reasons, as an Instructor, I'm not allowed to move your bike.
The GL 1800 is a great bike, but
it's not a bike for a novice rider. You need to start on something
smaller for 3-6 months, and then move up.
Dave Wendell
EMCM(SW/SS) USN Ret.
WMSP Instructor
S/TEP Instructor
I want to thank you for your
email; I have placed it in my web site.
First of all I want to thank you for proving me right, the instructor did have
us downshift to first on the curve.
I, and the two large Harley's had the same problem as I did.
Second, the Cone Weave, the instructor set up two cone weaves, one that was
not a problem.
The other was a problem not only for me but most of the class; it was set up
of offset cones.
As you pass the first cone you turn left, at 10 feet you went around another
cone and turned right, at 10 feet you went around another cone and turned left
again.
You did this exercise through 5 straight cones.
All of the bikes had trouble with this course not just me.
You have made my point; I will send it up the Chain-of Command, thanks.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Dear Mr. McCaleb:
This is in response to your email of March 20, 2002.
We reviewed your correspondence along with information posted on your web
page. Posted information indicates that Navy officials have responded to
your concerns. In his April 2, 2002, response, Capt Houck, Fleet Judge
Advocate, stated that the required safety course will be offered at
Gulfport. Consequently, we plan no further action.
If you determine that the safety course offered is not in
accordance
with Naval Instructions, you may contact the Hotline and the matter will be
given further consideration. Thank you for your interest in bringing
your
concerns regarding potential improprieties within the Department to our
attention.
Sincerely,
Leonard Trahan, Jr.
Director
Defense Hotline
I thank you for you concern, except you
have not addressed my complaint of failing the Safety Course, when I really
did not fail.
I have requested the validity of the instructor but it seems no one wants to
explain I request.
OPNAVSAFETYCEN, Bill Cosby is out till May 26, so I have requested information
from the Naval Seabee Base Safety Office, Betty Long.
I have requested information twice so far but have not received an answer.
So now I believe a full and impartial investigation by Admiral Natter's Office
is in order.
I have request records showing that Mr. John Toner, the Naval Base Safety
Course Instructor, has is qualified and certified prior to April 3, 2002.
This means that John Toner must have gone through OPNAVSAFETYCEN, Bill Cosby's
7 or 9 week training course in accordance with OPNAVINST.5100.12G.
If Mr. John Toner has not successfully completed Bill Cosby's course of
instruction, then the Naval Seabee Base used an unqualified instructor, which
make his course null and void.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com
President
George W. Bush
President of the United States of America
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC 20509-1600
President George W. Bush:
I am having a problem with your Officers,
it seems I have been chosen as the fall guy for the Naval Seabee Base,
Gulfport, Mississippi, Commanding Officer Brian R. Kelm.
I have gone up the Chain-of-Command and I
am up to Admiral Robert J. Natter.
I have requested information under the,
"Freedom of Information Act," but I seem to be being ignored.
My complaint covers the Naval Seabee Base, Gulfport, Mississippi Motorcycle
Safety Course, OPNAVSAFETYCEN, Mr. William Cosby.
I will ask you at this time to go to my two web pages, which will explain my
requesting this investigation.
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
NAVAL SEABEE BASE, GULFPORT, MISSISSIPPI - April 10, 2002
THE OUTCOME OF MY BASIC MOTORCYCLE SAFETY COURSE
I know you are very busy with the war's going on, but I am in hopes that you
will have a staff member, which will ensure my request is looked into.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com
Goldwing
riders,
Please go to Steven McCaleb's
website www.mississippiwebsite.com
and scroll to the link:
THE
OUTCOME OF MY BASIC MOTORCYCLE SAFETY COURSE
I am happy the Naval Seabee Base, Gulfport,
Mississippi is now going to provide
Basic Motorcycle Safety Courses in order to get a base sticker.
The sad part is that I seem to have failed the Safety Course by one
point, and I was the
only person which failed.
Retaliation was the only way to make there point.
A MUST READ**********
After reading his material and his
attitude in regard to motorcycle safety you may want to reconsider
allowing this person to ever ride with your group. He makes it
clear that he refuses to accept responsibility for his poor riding
skills, and if he were ever to be involved in a mishap, I'm sure he will
toss the blame elsewhere. Please read his ".com" website
(not the .net) BEFORE you ride the streets with this gentleman.
Regards,
Dan
Thank you for your help, as you no I need
all the help I can get.
I will place you email in my web page.
Thanks again,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
Betty, I am still waiting on my request, I
did receive a letter from the legal office but I did not request
information from legal.
According to the, Freedom of Information Act, you have three day to
respond to my request, and 14 days to provide the information I have
requested.
Sending my request to legal has just made you late in providing the
records I have requested.
I am waiting for your response.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Subj: Freedom of Information Act
Date: 4/18/02
To: bjlong@cbcgulfport.navy.mil
CC: brkelm@cbcgulfport.navy.mil,
mcashley@cbcgulfport.navy.mil
Subj: Freedom of Information Act
Date: 4/12/02 1:56:48 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Mccaleb5thdist
To: bjlong@cbcgulfport.navy.mil
CC: brkelm@cbcgulfport.navy.mil,
mcashley@cbcgulfport.navy.mil
Betty, I know you don't want to provide me with any information, and
I believe that you believe you don't have to provide me with
information.
But there is one bill which passed the house and senate called the,
"Freedom of Information Act."
This bill requires federal departments even the Armed Forces to provide
information to, "we the little people."
I need to obtain information concerning the instructor, John Toner.
I want too know if he is qualified and certified by Mr. William Cosby,
for the Basic Motorcycle Safety Course conducted at the Naval Seabee
Base, Gulfport, Mississippi, the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th of April, 2002.
Mr. William Cosby is out of his office until May 26th so getting
information from him is not an option.
The qualification and certification of Mr. John Toner should have been
known prior to him coming to instruct the Safety Course.
Please provide me with the information I have requested.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
This is what was sent to me
by the, "Department of the Navy" Commander, Navy Region
Southeast, Box 102, Jacksonville, Fl. 32212-0102
Betty, I have received a package from the, ''Inspector
General, Department of Defense, 400 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, Virginia
22202-2885."
The information is concerning my request for a full and impartial
investigation on whether John Toner was qualified to instruct the
Motorcycle Safety Course, CBC, Gulfport, Mississippi.
I am placing this task on you to provide me with all records showing
that John Toner was qualified and certified by William Cosby.
Please provide me with all records showing John Toner was properly
certified and qualified.
May 30, 2002
You have three days to respond and 14 days to produce all records.
I have 60 calendar days for an appeal.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
William Cosby:
I hope you had a good overseas trip.
I have received a package for the, Inspector General, requesting
information concerning my request for an investigation concerning John
Toner and whether he was certified and qualified by you to instruct the
Motorcycle Safety Course at, CBC, Gulfport, Mississippi.
Please provide me with all records showing John Toner was or was not
certified and qualified by you prior to April 2, 2002.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Subj: as per our phone conversation on
June 4, 2002
Date: 6/4/02 12:09:03 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Mccaleb5thdist
To: krasner@msf-usa.org
CC: wcosby@safetycenter.navy.mil
Kevin Rasner:
As per our conversation by phone on June 4, 2002, I am requesting an
email containing the information we spoke about.
This email will be placed into my web page: www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
You will be able to read all of our contacts in order to possible
resolve this problem.
I am at this time requesting a full and impartial investigation by MSF
showing records which show that the instructor, John Toner, is fully
qualified and certified to instruct the Basic Motorcycle Safety Course
aboard the Naval Seabee Base, Gulfport, Mississippi.
Naval
Safety Center Sponsored Motorcycle Instructor Courses- June 4, 2000
Click here
I further request
information concerning why this instructor stated that I could be
retested after practicing on Saturday and retest on Sunday.
Why he failed to retest me on Sunday, when he asked the question, "
if I thought he would be fair during my retest."
I would also like to know why the MSF is not recognized in the state of
Mississippi?
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
PETTY
OFFICE
RICHER
I was good
talking too you, I hope you have good evening and I will chat with you
tomorrow.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
OPNAVINST 5100.12G
Motorcycle Safety (HSPG No. 3)
a. Motorcycle Operator Training
(1) Regional/Host commanders
or Supplying Activity shall ensure Naval Safety Center approved
motorcycle safety training is available for all personnel operating
motorcycles in their areas. Host Commanders shall sponsor or ensure
approved courses are available locally. Commanders shall ensure
personnel operating motorcycles attend approved motorcycle safety
training courses at no cost to active duty military and DoD Federal
civilian personnel.
(2) Every operator of a
government-owned motorcycle, every military operator of a motorcycle
whether on or off installation, and every civilian operator of a
motorcycle on a naval installation must successfully complete
COMNAVSAFECEN approved motorcycle training. Operators of motorcycles
with attached sidecars and three-wheeled motorcycles are excluded.
Refer operators of sidecars and three-wheeled motorcycles to State
sponsored courses where available.
(3) Operators of
government-owned all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) shall successfully complete
the Specialty Vehicle Institute of America's (SVIA) ATV RiderCourse or
other COMNAVSAFECEN approved ATV training prior to operating these
vehicles on any naval installation.
(4) Operators of
privately-owned ATVs must successfully complete the Specialty Vehicle
Institute of America's (SVIA) ATV RiderCourse and off highway
motorcycles (OHMs) are required to successfully complete the Motorcycle
Safety Foundation's (MSFs) OHM course before riding on base.
Encourage operators of these vehicles off base to take the SVIA ATV
RiderCourse and MSF's course. Call SVIA at COML 1 (800) 887-2887
for ATV course locations: http://www.svia.org. For the
Motorcycle Safety Foundation's off highway motorcycle course contact:
http://www.msf-usa.org.
(5) Encourage all motorcycle
operators to complete a refresher course before each riding season,
after long periods of inactivity, purchase of a new motorcycle, transfer
to a new
geographical area or in those areas with high concentrations of
motorcycle mishaps or hazardous traffic conditions.
(6) Enter all motorcycle
safety training in the individual's military service record (page 13) or
civilian personnel training file.
(7) Motorcycle safety courses
shall be conducted by COMNAVSAFECEN recognized instructors.
Curriculum for operator or rider safety courses required by this
instruction shall not be modified, nor substitute equivalent curriculum
used, without CNO (N09F) approval. Requirements for participation
in a motorcycle instructor course are available on the Naval Safety
Center website: http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil.
(8) Before a vehicle
registration decal for on-installation operation is issued, operators of
privately-owned motorcycles must present a motorcycle safety course
completion card signed by a COMNAVSAFECEN-recognized instructor.
This requirement is in addition to those contained in reference (k).
PO RICHER:
I received your phone call but I do not understand your thinking. Please
send me an email explaining the reasons for not being able to provide me
with information.
The instruction is clear and the motorcycle instructor was not qualified
or certified to instruct the Basic Motorcycle course at the Naval Seabee
Base.
Have you thought about calling the Seabee Base Security and check
whether john toner had a letter on file as per naval instruction.
The letter must be on file and the date on the letter must have to be
prior to April 2, 2002.
Please respond, but not by phone.
This letter will be placed in my web site.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Commanding Officer
US Naval Seabee Base
Gulfport, Mississippi
THIS IS AN OFFICIAL
FOIA REQUEST FOR RECORDS
I just got off the phone with Bill Cosby and he seems to be spinning
this whole mess.
He stated that I have to go by the Seabee Bases instruction and not the
naval instruction.
I now need to request from you through the, Freedom of Information Act,
records concerning the Naval Seabee Bases, Basic Motorcycle Safety
Course instructions.
First I need a copy of the letter showing that John Toner was certified
and qualified to instruct the, Basic Motorcycle Safety Course on the
Naval Seabee base prior to April 2, 2002.
Second I need the records which state the Seabee Naval Base does not
have a naval instructor which must be certified and qualified through
OPNAVINST 5100.12G.
I need to know the date of the last Basic Motorcycle Safety Course
provided (Not counting the on in April 2002) be the Naval Seabee Base.
I need records showing the name of the instructor, and records showing
his/her qualifications as a Basic Motorcycle safety Instructor.
Bill Cosby seem to believe that a person that have a MSF card is
qualified to instruct aboard the Naval Seabee Base.
I need a copy of the instruction which was shown by MA-1 Turner showing
I must attend the Naval Seabee Base Motorcycle Safety Course in order to
obtain a base sticker. MA-1 Turner had highlighted the past showing how
my Experienced Ridders Course did not allow me to obtain a base sticker.
I need a copy of John Toner's inspection sheet showing that I failed the
Basic Motorcycle Safety Course.
I need to know the time and dates when John Toner was contacted by the
Naval Seabee Base to instruct the April 2002, Basic Motorcycle Safety
Course.
If you need this request mailed or faxed to you please email me the
address and/of fax number.
I am requesting this information through the FOIA.
It seems that Bill Cosby is passing the buck to you CO, and that tells
me that his butt may be in a sling.
V. Response TimesUnder the statute, all federal agencies are required
to respond to a FOIA request within twenty business days, excluding
Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays. This period does not begin until
the request is actually received by the FOIA office of the component
that maintains the records sought. An agency is not required to send out
the releasable documents by the last business day; it can send you a
letter informing you of its decision and then send out the documents
within a reasonable time afterward.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome
I have been relieved by CAPT Max Jenkins, email at
JenkinsMB@clf.navy.mil.
All phone numbers remain the same. V/r, JH
FOIA:
PO Wadding, below are request I have made to the Commanding Officer,
Naval Seabee Base, Gulfport, Mississippi.
Let's see how hard they try not to provide the records I have requested.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Like all federal agencies, the Department of Justice is required under
the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to disclose records requested in
writing by any person. However, agencies may withhold information
pursuant to nine exemptions and three exclusions contained in the
statute. The FOIA applies only to federal agencies and does not create a
right of access to records held by Congress, the courts, or by state or
local government agencies. Each state has its own public access laws
that should be consulted for access to state and local records.
Subj:
Phone conversation* with William (Bill) Cosby- FOIA
Date: 6/7/02 12:31:42 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Mccaleb5thdist
To: brkelm@cbcgulfport.navy.mil,
president@whitehouse.gov
CC: mcashley@cbcgulfport.navy.mil,
Garcia.Felipe@hq.navy.mil,
bair.thomas@hq.navy.mil,
FlemingC@CNRSE.NAVY.MIL,
HouckJW@clf.navy.mil,
myersag@clf.navy.mil,
bjlong@cbcgulfport.navy.mil,
vice.president@whitehouse.gov,
first.lady@whitehouse.gov,
vday@msf-usa.org,
wcosby@safetycenter.navy.mil
Commanding
Officer
US Naval Seabee Base
Gulfport, Mississippi
THIS
IS AN OFFICIAL FOIA REQUEST FOR RECORDS
I just got off the phone with Bill Cosby and he seems to be spinning
this whole mess.
He stated that I have to go by the Seabee Bases instruction and not the
naval instruction.
I now need to request from you through the, Freedom of Information Act,
records concerning the Naval Seabee Bases, Basic Motorcycle Safety
Course instructions.
First I need a copy of the letter showing that John Toner was certified
and qualified to instruct the, Basic Motorcycle Safety Course on the
Naval Seabee base prior to April 2, 2002.
Second I need the records which state the Seabee Naval Base does not
have a naval instructor which must be certified and qualified through
OPNAVINST 5100.12G.
I need to know the date of the last Basic Motorcycle Safety Course
provided (Not counting the on in April 2002) be the Naval Seabee Base.
I need records showing the name of the instructor, and records showing
his/her qualifications as a Basic Motorcycle safety Instructor.
Bill Cosby seem to believe that a person that have a MSF card is
qualified to instruct aboard the Naval Seabee Base.
I need a copy of the instruction which was shown by MA-1 Turner showing
I must attend the Naval Seabee Base Motorcycle Safety Course in order to
obtain a base sticker. MA-1 Turner had highlighted the past showing how
my Experienced Ridders Course did not allow me to obtain a base sticker.
I need a copy of John Toner's inspection sheet showing that I failed the
Basic Motorcycle Safety Course.
I need to know the time and dates when John Toner was contacted by the
Naval Seabee Base to instruct the April 2002, Basic Motorcycle Safety
Course.
If you need this request mailed or faxed to you please email me the
address and/of fax number.
I am requesting this information through the FOIA.
It seems that Bill Cosby is passing the buck to you CO, and that tells
me that his butt may be in a sling.
V. Response TimesUnder the statute, all federal agencies are required to
respond to a FOIA request within twenty business days, excluding
Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays. This period does not begin until
the request is actually received by the FOIA office of the component
that maintains the records sought. An agency is not required to send out
the releasable documents by the last business day; it can send you a
letter informing you of its decision and then send out the documents
within a reasonable time afterward.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/seabeebase.htm
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome
Captain Kelm:
I have requested the beginning date list of the next Safety Motorcycle
Course, as I have said below, I have email which will show I have
requested the dates of the next Safety Course.
If any person should be the first on the list, it would be me.
Also, I am requesting the name of the next instructor, and a copy of his
records showing he/she is certified & qualified by the Naval
Motorcycle Safety Center, William (bill) Cosby.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Subj: RE: Dates for next basic motorcycle safety course - Naval Seabee
Base
Date: 7/1/02 8:51:17 AM Central Daylight Time
From: bjlong@cbcgulfport.navy.mil
To: mccaleb4thdist@aol.com
CC: mcashley@cbcgulfport.navy.mil
Sent from the Internet (Details)
Steve McCaleb,
The next Motorcycle Safety Course will be 19-21
July, but I regret to
inform you that the course is full. I will contact you when a
space is
available in one of our future courses.
R/ Betty Jo Long
Subj: Re: Dates for next basic motorcycle safety course - Naval Seabee
Base
Date: 7/1/02 9:09:09 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Mccaleb5thdist
To: bjlong@cbcgulfport.navy.mil
Betty, please provide me with a copy of the dated list which you have
stated is full.
I have email dated back requesting the date of the next Safety
Motorcycle Course.
I believe, perhaps I am being excluded for other reasons.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Betty, I am requesting the number
of candidates per class size (19-21 July) and the breakdown of
candidates.
Number active duty:
Number employees working aboard the base:
Retired Veterans:
Others:
Steve McCaleb,
The next Motorcycle Safety Course will be 19-21
July, but I regret to
inform you that the course is full. I will contact you when a
space is
available in one of our future courses.
R/ Betty Jo Long
For
instructor candidates traveling from commands beyond normal POV JFTR or
JTR travel limits, loan motorcycles may be requested from local state
programs within CONUS, if available. However, candidates requesting the
use of loan motorcycles must inform COMNAVSAFECEN motorcycle instructor
at least 60 working days before the start of the course. Class
size is limited to 12 candidates.
Completion requirements include a riding skills evaluation, a written
test with 80% accuracy, a satisfactory rating during student teaching
and attendance at all sessions. There is no re-test on the written test.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
HOTLINE:
I have found that getting the information proving the Motorcycle Safety
Instructor was not qualified or certified in all but impossible.
http://mississippiwebsite.com/coinst.htm
Is
the Commanding Office of the Naval Seabee Base blowing smoke up my butt
clicl here
Therefore I am
requesting a full and impartial investigation concerning the Motorcycle
Safety Instructor, Mr. John Toner.
I would also request that when I request information and/or records,
they be provided to me.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Subj: Base Sticker for Motorcycle
Date: 4/15/02 12:55:21 PM Central Daylight Time
From: hotline@dodig.osd.mil
To: mccaleb4thdist@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)
Dear Mr. McCaleb:
This is in response to your email of March 20, 2002.
We reviewed your correspondence along with information posted on your
web
page. Posted information indicates that Navy officials have
responded to
your concerns. In his April 2, 2002, response, Capt Houck, Fleet
Judge
Advocate, stated that the required safety course will be offered at
Gulfport. Consequently, we plan no further action.
If you determine that the safety course offered is
not in accordance
with Naval Instructions, you may contact the Hotline and the matter will
be
given further consideration. Thank you for your interest in
bringing your
concerns regarding potential improprieties within the Department to our
attention.
Sincerely,
Leonard Trahan, Jr.
Director
Defense Hotline
Betty, here is one of my request
concerning the next Motorcycle Safety Course.
Subj: Next Motorcycle Safety Course
Date: 6/3/02
To: bjlong@cbcgulfport.navy.mil
CC: brkelm@cbcgulfport.navy.mil,
mcashley@cbcgulfport.navy.mil,
wcosby@safetycenter.navy.mil,
Garcia.Felipe@hq.navy.mil
Betty, I need the dates for the next Basic Motorcycle Safety Courses, I
have several trips planned and I don't want to miss any Safety Course.
Please ensure you check with William Cosby, to ensure this next
instructor has been qualified and certified by Mr. Cosby.
Please respond
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
Steve McCaleb,
The next Motorcycle Safety Course will be 19-21
July, but I regret to
inform you that the course is full. I will contact you when
a space is
available in one of our future courses.
R/ Betty Jo Long
Betty, please provide me the record/application of Mr.
John Toner's,
MOTORCYCLE
INSTRUCTOR COURSE CANDIDATE APPLICATION.
Below is a copy of the application which should be on file prior to
Mr. Toner conducted the Motorcycle Safety Course.
Please provide me with this record.
http://mississippiwebsite.com/navalmotorcyclequal.htm
Naval
Safety Center Sponsored Motorcycle Instructor Courses- July 3, 2002
click here
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Commanding Office
Captain Kelm
I have requested records and information, some by simple request, and
others under the, Freedom of Information Act.
No one seems to know how to comply with neither simple request nor
official requests, and that shows just how far people in charge will go
to ensure the truth is never to be known.
I find it sad, that you as the commanding officer of one of the United
States Naval Seabee Bases will go to such lengths to protect your
Executive Officer.
It was the lie he told me in the beginning, which sparked me to see how
far you would go to do nothing.
This will go on and on until I get the records and answers I have
requested.
Again, I can't understand why you have been so unsupportive in this
matter of Base Stickers.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
PS: I have one very important concern, and she works at the Navy
Exchange.
Betty, you have three days to provide
me with the information I have requested.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Subj: No Response Second Request- Request copy of number of
candidates per class
Date: 7/9/02 11:37:39 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Mccaleb5thdist
To: bjlong@cbcgulfport.navy.mil
Subj: Request copy of number of candidates per class
Date: 7/3/02 11:15:12 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Mccaleb5thdist
To: bjlong@cbcgulfport.navy.mil
CC: brkelm@cbcgulfport.navy.mil,
mcashley@cbcgulfport.navy.mil,
bair.thomas@hq.navy.mil,
wcosby@safetycenter.navy.mil,
HouckJW@clf.navy.mil,
myersag@clf.navy.mil,
kkrasner@msf-usa.org
Betty, I am requesting the number of candidates per class size (19-21
July) and the breakdown of candidates.
Number active duty:
Number employees working aboard the base:
Retired Veterans:
Others:
Steve McCaleb,
The next Motorcycle Safety Course will be 19-21
July, but I regret to
inform you that the course is full. I will contact you when a
space is
available in one of our future courses.
R/ Betty Jo Long
For
instructor candidates traveling from commands beyond normal POV JFTR or
JTR travel limits, loan motorcycles may be requested from local state
programs within CONUS, if available. However, candidates requesting the
use of loan motorcycles must inform COMNAVSAFECEN motorcycle instructor
at least 60 working days before the start of the course. Class
size is limited to 12 candidates. Completion requirements include a
riding skills evaluation, a written test with 80% accuracy, a
satisfactory rating during student teaching and attendance at all
sessions. There is no re-test on the written test.
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Its amazing how people clam up when they find themselves
in having to tell the truth.
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
Subj: Request for past investigation
Date: 7/10/02 11:55:21 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Mccaleb5thdist
To: kkrasner@msf-usa.org
I have not heard back from you concerning Mr. John Toner.
I have sent you all of my web pages in order for you to conclude your
investigation.
Why is it taking so long for you to respond?
Sincerely,
Steven A. McCaleb
www.mississippiwebsite.com/outcome.htm
www.mississippiwebsite.com/coinst.htm
Steven A. McCaleb
Steven A. McCaleb
